New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

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New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by hartnettsm » Wed Jul 13, 2016 21:57

Hi everyone!
So I'm an enormous fan of fantasy novels. I feel like every time I read one I'm constantly swept away by different authors' approaches to the genre, what they include, what they don't include, story lines, etc. However I'm constantly comparing things back to do fantasy writers that (IMO) have dominated the fantasy world with two different methods: Tolkien and GRRM. With the fact that they are both immensely different acknowledged there is one thing that they do that I have always felt makes the story greater... developing history. For Tolkien he developed immense backstories and histories, with additional works for the sole purpose of serving as chronicles. GRRM did much of the same, but on both a micro and macro scale; not to mention building religions, opposing governmental structures, etc etc etc.

So, my first request is to this massive sampling of the population that enjoys fantasy is to provide me with some elements that ya'll miss, want to see, want more of etc. I'm talking about things like to dwarf and elf or not to dwarf and elf (along with other fantasy races), magic (exists? never existed? dead? limited? etc), the story basis of good vs evil or a more GRRM-esque realism injected fantasy style.

What I'd like to do is essentially build a fantasy series from the ground up. The ideas in my head are endless and massive, and I'm having too much trouble picking which elements I want to include.

So after I cross off each of these little pre-requisites I've thought of and essentially polled you all for I'll ask for other ideas like houses, dynasties, etc (and if some people are willing/want to they can even design a house and its history and their vassals/bannerman/lesser clans/whatever race/culture that groups oath/sworn men are called belongs to etc.

Apologies in advance to blackninja (please no assassinations in the dark of the night :shock: :o lol) if this isn't the greatest place for this. I love this game and this mod and I've read so many things from posters about fantasy ideas/custom houses/and more I just figured ya'll would be a great group to ask.
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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by kobalinkven » Thu Apr 13, 2017 16:31

Thah what you write is really cool. Keep on going i want to see the final results
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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by LAntorcha » Fri Jul 14, 2017 09:44

I think people like to read about 2 things most: Love and Death

Love in the classical way of "boy meets girl" and so... but you should make it different to attract people's attention. Maybe "girl meets girl" or something that twists the plot (girl meets... horse? :lol: ).

And Death, in all its forms: revenge, betray, honourable, just, brutal/sadistic, etc...
Death causes Fear (and we all love Fear stories too), and what GRRM is Master on is picking his stories and translating them in a pseudo-Real Medieval world.
The most enjoyed parts of ASOIAF are the ruthlessness of the real life plots (Ramsay Bolton, Red Wedding, Joffrey B, Arya's Revenge). What we tremble with is the evilness of people that we could'nt imagine doing ourselves.

So what does GRRM do? Start writing like JRRT plots and then BEING A BASTARD!
Think about it. ;)
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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by Helvetti » Fri Jul 14, 2017 20:21

I don't really care about anything as long the writing the good and the world is solid.

I want to know that the writer has thought of everything, and isn't just throwing random plot and names at us.
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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by klopite » Mon Aug 07, 2017 17:47

Hmm... i really do not know what to say about that ;d

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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by Sigerson » Mon Aug 21, 2017 20:35

Take in mind that you've decided to do something pretty big.

I read an article today (in italian) about fantasy, and about the fact that many fantasy novels, right now, take inspiration from GRRM and his way of thinking (grey characters, no good vs evil, dying from sickness even if you're Aragorn, etc...), and I believe you should too. It's easier to write this way and much more of a challenge (instead of building walls all around yourself that limit you and your work).

I've done a bit of writing (noire and thriller novels, mostly) and when I re-read them I realised they would have been just another thriller on the shelf. Nothing special. I'm good at putting a few words together, but that's it. However I keep writing, why? Because I enjoy it. I enjoy having a plot in my mind that develops while I write. So, what I'm saying is: understand whether you want to publish it later on or not. Or just don't think about it, because if you do you'll lose a lot of time thinking about every little detail and never go anywhere.

Tolkien started from a hole.

GRRM from a stag and a few pups of a giant wolf.

JK Rowling started from a train.

There was no Silmarillion, at first, neither there was A World of Ice and Fire, or Fantastic Beasts. Just these scenes. Develop from the idea you got in mind, THEN think about houses, dynasties and history. Note everything you come up with the lore somehwere, in a journal, maybe, and write the novel on PC.

This is what I can give you, OFC if you want more help (or wanna send your stuff in a PM - I'd love to read it!) just tell me. Good luck!
"The reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one."
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Re: New Writer Needs Help With Fantasy Storyline

PostPosted by winaro » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:22

A colleague of mine is right in my opinion. You described it well, thanks for the help!
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