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West of Westeros?

PostPosted by armychowmein » Thu Sep 22, 2016 19:52

There was a scene in the TV show for Season 6 in which Arya states she'd like to see what's west of Westeros. I wonder, was she saying that as Arya or as the girl she was pretending to be? Also, what could be west of WEsteros? Ideas? Hypotheses?

And is there a reason why the Ironborn haven't discovered anything further west (aside there not actually being anything further west)?
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by SinStar87 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 19:58

Aztec Nation and 1000s of dragons.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by armychowmein » Thu Sep 22, 2016 20:03

God I hope so. How hilarious would it be if, in the show, a bunch of indigenous people invaded the western shores of Westeros? Knuckey wouldn't have to change anything!
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by LancelotLoire » Mon Sep 26, 2016 14:01

I think it might be Farwestos no? Or maybe it's Fareastos?
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by suvantar » Mon Sep 26, 2016 14:12

West of Westeros is pretty obviously the eastern portion of Yi Ti, separated by a large enough ocean that it makes it impossible to traverse with the level of naval technology they have.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by armychowmein » Tue Sep 27, 2016 16:37

That's like 15th Century Europeans saying the only thing further west is the East Indies...
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by LancelotLoire » Tue Sep 27, 2016 22:35

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ulthos

I had totally forgot about Ulthos, but it'd be Ulthos.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by armychowmein » Thu Sep 29, 2016 01:51

As always, Lancelot... Bringin the good stuff!
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PostPosted by LancelotLoire » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:11

And that's only what the Westerosi know. There could conceivably be even more land masses further east of that as well. We don't actually know how large of a planet Planetos is. So there could be like 30 Asia sized continents between Western coast of Westeros and Ulthos.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by suvantar » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:17

Well, without going into great detail about the physics involved and so forth, a basic assumption for nearly any fantasy world that has people who basically look like people is that the planet is roughly earth-sized and about as far away from the sun it orbits as Earth is. If it was not, whether it was larger or smaller, the gravity of the world, for example, would either be much higher or much lower and the flora and fauna would be more or less unrecognizable. Obviously, these are issues that are more pertinent to science fiction writing, but you cannot just continue to add land masses until Planetos is the size of Jupiter without contending with them.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by armychowmein » Thu Sep 29, 2016 19:33

Wouldn't that depend upon the age of the star?
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PostPosted by suvantar » Thu Sep 29, 2016 20:47

Partially, but assuming the planetos had roughly all the same 'stuff' as Earth with enough large land masses to make up a planet the size of Jupiter, this planet would have sufficient matter to generate a gravitational force several hundred or thousand times the gravitational force Earth generates. Jupiter doesn't do that, primarily because it is a gas giant, so it doesn't have the amount of matter that its massive size would suggest. Now as far as the age of the star is concerned, you're probably right, to a certain extent. The life-sustaining planet would need to be in the 'sweet spot,' according to the age of the star. There may come a time when Venus actually becomes the best candidate in our solar system for sustaining life. However, the life that would evolve on Venus would not look much like the life that evolved on Earth.
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Re: West of Westeros?

PostPosted by Soulbourne » Thu Oct 20, 2016 17:20

You mean mars, a star the size of the sun will expand the green zone outward not inward, as it progresses towards the red giant status. That said, the type of star matters more than the age, since red giant is often considered seperate from our current stars status despite being a different life cycle, and larger or smaller stars have consequently different orbital needs.

With all that in mind, you must consider the fact that short of icey bodies in complex orbits that I doubt martin as a fantasy writer has time for, the world of planetos inherently possesses magical driving forces as demonstrated by the summer/winter cycle. While jupiter sized is out a super earth class planet is quite possible, despite the much larger gravity it would generate the abundance of primal era magic(As demonstrated by the fact that the valyrian freehold got into epic arcane slap fights during their conquests) means it's quite possible for the energy to have warped the nature of gravity, or if you prefer the science version, having lessened the bending of space time by propping it up with energy woven into the fabric.

Planetos follows a primal-high-low magic curve, where early magic was vast and expansive(Dragons, others, children of the forest, blood champions, etc everywhere), which was mastered during the age of empires and college into high magic, and has since collapsed into more a remnant of what it once was as the power of magic wanes and becomes the place of an elite few.
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