LancelotLoire wrote:I am not too interested in plot points as a way. Especially considering that they basically brought it to the original owner of the dagger.
As for a list, it said there are about 227 valyrian blades in Westeros and only a thousand or two left in the world. If they included knives in that list, do you believe that anybody in their right mind would bet a dagger on a tournament? Or just leave it in a chest for a stupid child to give to an assassin? Logic has to conclude just based off of the fluid movements of the dagger between people that the daggers are of incredibly low value and not included in the insanely small amount listed (227 for Westeros, thousand or two for rest of world).
"To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer, while her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon"
LancelotLoire wrote:You can doubt all you want, but the symbolism is there and even more."...The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered..."
LancelotLoire wrote:@SinStar: Cougars are also known as Mountain LIONS. A Cougar is also a term used for an older and slightly predatory female.
LancelotLoire wrote:Lets say that Lightbringer is a sword for this argument real quick. The sword radiated heat and was illuminated. No valyrian sword has that property. There is also no mention of the sword being indestructible. So what we have here is 2 things. A sword that has properties that Valyrian swords DON'T have, and a sword that DOESN'T have the properties of Valyrian swords.
LancelotLoire wrote:Qohori blacksmiths don't use blood magic in reforging Valyrian swords thats I'm aware of. Seeing as how Tobho Mott would most likely have been arrested after reforging Ice. Tywin would have let him complete the work but most likely would have arrested him after the work was done. That's the kind of person he is.
LancelotLoire wrote:The whole story of Azor Ahai has the feel of a creation story to it. You are saying that it doesn't seem likely that they'd conceive a child and then wait the 9 months for it to be born. But it's okay for you that he'd spend half a year forging a sword while sitting on his thumb?
LancelotLoire wrote:I never said that Azor Ahai was going around flailing an infant child at white walkers. That is just freaking ludicrous. The long night was supposed to have lasted for a full generation. I'm saying that Azor Ahai = Lightbringer. And that story about the sword isn't that Azor Ahai sired a child with that woman. But that Azor Ahai WAS the child.
LancelotLoire wrote:Your argument mostly lays on the fact that the Valyrians would have been creating Valyrian steel to combat the Others. So tell me this extremely important bit of information you've seem to forgotten. How did the Valyrians come across the Others? The Others vanished not long after the long night ended. Not to mention have the Others ever been in Essos to begin with? Then there is also the issue that the Valyrian Peninsula is hot. I don't think the Others could even survive on Valyria from the heat of the Volcanoes.
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