Noble Houses and Settlements/Places Relocation Project

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Noble Houses and Settlements/Places Relocation Project

PostPosted by Corvo the Crow » Fri Mar 24, 2017 14:46

There are many houses, settlements and places we do not know the exact location of, so they are just put to some place on the map or other. It is my intention to locate places they are likely to be, using information given from the books, their coat of arms and logic. If, other things like whether a house is a cadet or a vassal of the other is also found out/seems likely, I'll also add them.

I plan to use this format for the posts:

Region: North

House: Slates of Blackpool

Location: Somewhere in High Lordship of White Harbor or High Lordship of Broken Branch.

Other: It is possible that Poole's are a cadet branch of Slates.

Reason: Among the other houses(Greystarks, Flints, Longs, Lockes, Ashwoods, Holts) known to have held the Wolf's den at one time or the other, two (Lockes and Flints) are located within this area and one (Holts) is, judging by what we know of them( a member, Ser Maynard Holt, is a ship captain in NW) very likely to be in this area as well. Other houses are also very likely to be in this area.

Poole's and Slates have a somewhat similar CoA and Poole's name may be a reference to Blackpool, seat of Slates.

I hope this topic will bring others attention as well so I'll get some help on it.

I'll also add below a small gem I've found out, may help with CoA's.

http://tinyton.org/heraldry.htm
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Re: Noble Houses and Settlements/Places Relocation Project

PostPosted by Corvo the Crow » Fri Mar 24, 2017 20:50

Region: Riverlands

House: Vance of Wayfarer's Rest

Location: Between Riverrun and Pinkmaiden, east of Red Fork with perhaps some land on the western side.

Reason: -Karyl Vance, Raymun Darry and Marq Piper are sent by Edmure Tully to ask permission to retaliate due to Gregor Clegane's attack on the settlements on Red Fork, from south to north, Wendish Town, Sherrer and Mummer's Ford (Mummer's Ford is located along both banks). Pipers and Vances are later commanded to guard the pass beneat the Golden Tooth.

- Pipers' location is already known and also that of Smallwoods', vassals of Vances; located southeast of Riverrun, northeast of Pinkmaiden, and north of Stoney Sept, near High Heart.

Below are some quote's from AGOT chapter 43, Eddard.
Spoiler: show
Joss," Ser Raymun Darry said to a plump balding man in a brewer's apron. "Tell the Hand what happened at Sherrer."

I kept an alehouse, m'lord, in Sherrer, by the stone bridge. The finest ale south of the Neck, everyone said so, begging your pardons, m'lord. It's gone now like all the rest, m'lord. They come and drank their fill and spilled the rest before they fired my roof, and they would of spilled my blood too, if they'd caught me. M'lord."

"They burnt us out," a farmer beside him said. "Come riding in the dark, up from the south, and fired the fields and the houses alike,


Ser Raymun Darry took up the tale. "At Wendish Town, the people sought shelter in their holdfast, but the walls were timbered. The raiders piled straw against the wood and burnt them all alive. When the Wendish folk opened their gates to flee the fire, they shot them down with arrows as they came running out, even women with suckling babes."

They would of done the same for us, but the Sherrer holdfast's made of stone," Joss said.
Some wanted to smoke us out, but the big one said there was riper fruit upriver, and they made for the Mummer's Ford."


I'll most likely do Blackwoods next, information on them is conflicting.
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Re: Noble Houses and Settlements/Places Relocation Project

PostPosted by Corvo the Crow » Sun Mar 26, 2017 19:53

It's been two days, though I was hoping to have it done by yesterday. I see that it had some views in the mean time so this may actually take flight soon. :lol: Unfortunately I couldn't find all of my notes on this, and the books aren't at hand, but I still believe there's enough information.

Region: Riverlands

House: Blackwood

Location: East of Stone Hedge, Around Harrenhal.

Reason:

-During the resolution of the siege of Raventree, Lord Jonos Bracken asks Ser Jaime Lannister for the east bank of the Widow's Wash (a stream with islands in it, a part of the border between Brackens and Blackwoods) from Crossbow Ridge to Rutting Meadow and all the islands in the stream for subduing Lord Tytos Blackwood. Jaime agrees to the transfer of Crossbow Ridge but not the rest of the shore.

-After dealing with Tytos Blackwood, Jaime uses a different route, he fords the widowswash near pennytree, a settlement between the Teats located near the disputed border, it's a royal fief since around 200.

- In the spoiler below are some quotes from Tyrion chapter
Spoiler: show
Your brother has been covering himself with glory," his father said.
"He smashed the Lords Vance and Piper at the Golden Tooth, and met the massed power of the Tullys
under the walls of Riverrun. The lords of the Trident have been put to rout. Ser Edmure Tully was taken
captive, with many of his knights and bannermen. Lord Blackwood led a few survivors back to Riverrun, where
Jaime has them under siege. The rest fled to their own strongholds."


"Your father and I have been marching on each in turn," Ser Kevan said. "With Lord Blackwood gone,
Raventree fell at once, and Lady Whent yielded Harrenhal for want of men to defend it.
Ser Gregor burnt out the Pipers and the Brackens . . . "
"Leaving you unopposed?" Tyrion said.
"Not wholly," Ser Kevan said. "The Mallisters still hold Seagard and Walder Frey is
marshaling his levies at the Twins."


- It's current placement makes it around whispering wood but according to the quotes above it was Tywin/Kevan who took Raventreehall, not Jaime, and if it was near whispering wood, Robb might've taken it on his way to Riverrun or they may have spotted Robb as he was marching south and sent a Raven to Jaime.


Next, I will do Darrys. I'm actually very happy with their current location, as it was me who suggested them to be where they are now( with supporting information). While doing the above two houses, however, I've come into some more information. My suggestion with them will not be a relocation but be adding of some more locations.
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Re: Noble Houses and Settlements/Places Relocation Project

PostPosted by Corvo the Crow » Sat Apr 15, 2017 22:57

Region: Riverlands

Place: Sherrer

Location: It's currently in Deddington county, should be somewhere on Red Fork between Riverrun and Pinkmaiden

Reason: Quotes below, which were also given in an earlier post.


Region: Riverlands

House: Darry

Location: Current location is fine, it should also include Sherrer though

Reason: -Seeing how Raymun Darry comes along with Marq Piper and Karyl Vance and also gives his reason for not being there to defend his lands, it is apparent each of the towns belong to one of these houses.

-Since Sherrer is located between the other two towns, which are closer to Pinkmaiden and Acorn Hall - vassals of Vances- respectively, it is more likely that Raymun owns Sherrer.


- There's a man from Sherrer who says he worked in old Ser Willum's stables.and Ser Willum could very well be Ser Willem Darry with his name spelled wrongly, either by a mistake, or intentionally ( like "milord", not "my lord").

- Darrys are an old house so it is very likely they have some other branches, Raymun and Willem and Jonothor, who is Willem's brother, may not be from the same branch or even if they are, Raymun lost three older brothers, Jonothor being a Kings guard owns no lands, Raymun may have been a second or third son, holding the Sherrer while eldest brother owning Darry lands near the trident. Ser Raymun would then have inherited the lands because he is the last remaining brother, or because he's the closest to Willem's branch, therefore being his heir.


Below are quotes from Eddard's chapter where he deals with the trio of Riverlanders.

Concerning their horses," he said, "it were warhorses they rode. Many a year I worked in old Ser Willum's stables, so I knows the difference. Not a one of these ever pulled a plow, gods bear witness if I'm wrong."

Ser Marq, Ser Karyl, Ser Raymun—perhaps I might ask you a question? These holdfasts were under your protection. Where were you when all this slaughtering and burning was going on?"
Ser Karyl Vance answered. "I was attending my lord father in the pass below the Golden Tooth, as was Ser Marq. When the word of these outrages reached Ser Edmure Tully, he sent word that we should take a small force of men to find what survivors we could and bring them to the king."
Ser Raymun Darry spoke up. "Ser Edmure had summoned me to Riverrun with all my strength. I was camped across the river from his walls, awaiting his commands, when the word reached me. By the time I could return to my own lands, Clegane and his vermin were back across the Red Fork, riding for Lannister's hills."


If your fields and holdfasts are safe from harm," Lord Petyr was saying, "what then do you ask of the throne?"
"The lords of the Trident keep the king's peace," Ser Raymun Darry said. "The Lannisters have broken it. We ask leave to answer them, steel for steel. We ask justice for the smallfolk of Sherrer and Wendish Town and the Mummer's Ford."



This is how Ser Willem is described in the wiki: "Willem was staunchly loyal to House Targaryen. He was a grey bear of a man who was half-blind. He had a gruff, kind voice and big wrinkled hands, soft as old leather."

Should've written this post much earlier but I have an exam coming next friday and I'm already in a very tight situation with my school. Next will very likely be Boltons and Hornwoods
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