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Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 07, 2017 03:01

An episode of reunions. Starting with the Higharden money being taken back to pay off the iron bank. Mention of the Golden Company and possible fighting for Cersei, what do we have here? Whole bunch at Winterfell with Meera Reed leaving to her the Neck with her father who we haven't seen. Bran getting that Valyrian dagger then giving it to Arya, unnerving littlefinger by mentioning "chaos is a aldder" i think this is one of two times i've seen him worried and it was glorious. He's always plotting though, i wonder what he has in store. Arya fought Brienne and did a good a job it. Sorta looked like to me that Sansa was a bit jealous, seeing Brienne fight Arya, and Arya saying that she's sworn to both of them. Jon showing Danny the wall from the children, which had white walkers on it. Now that she's seen the white walkers on the wall i think she believes in them. Maybe he bent the knee? Maybe they agreed to marry? The scene went to a blackout. Theon and Jon reunion. Theon wants Danny's help to rescue Yara from Euron. Nothing from Casterly Rock except the word that they're screwed. But boy what a finale, Dothraki screamers, the dragon, that goddamn dragon. Bronn injured it which was interesting, wonder if the Tarley's survived, how many survived if any. Same with Jamie and Bronn. Tyrion looked rightfully sad seeing his countrymen butchered by the dothraki.

Next week we have Tyrion adn Varys discussing making Danny listen. We have Danny demanding the fealty or death of a bunch of guys. Cersei saying her usual crap with qyburn about killing everyone. Jon being show a dragon by Danny, AND Jon talking white walkers and eastwatch by the sea at the painted table. I think the Hound will be there with the brotherhood, and the Wildlings too. We'll get a big white walker battle there at some point, maybe next episode.

Over half of the season done. :(
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Azsouth » Mon Aug 07, 2017 03:25

could clearly tell Dickon was torn even before the battle, I think he declares for Dany if he survived and if his father isn't dead

someone finally wondering about Jon's parentage was nice, would have been better if a dragon landed next to him on the beach and let him pet it, or he found a couple eggs in the cave, could be like "check out these wierd rocks" and Dany would be like "those aren't rocks, they are dragon eggs" *Jon picks one up and it gets warm* *characters wonder what that means* /scene

really pissed that this episode was like 10-20 shorter than what I was expecting, they cut the season down and w/ the intro and outro included the episode still ended at 9:50 pm for me, wtf showrunners, are you really that disinterested with telling this story anymore that you couldn't come up w/ 10 more minutes of meaningful content?

several other things to call bullshit on 1) that lake Bronn knocked Jaime into being that deep right next to the shore...like the bottomless pit of lakes/ponds
2) if Dany's dragons are full grown than even Qyburns super special ballista shouldn't have hurt it, the only recorded full sized dragon being taken down by something like that was Meraxes and that was because it got hit in the eye, not the wing/shoulder
3) EDIT: didn't realize Tyrion slipped in that line about still having enough ships to ferry over the Dothraki (2nd watch), still seems ridiculous the amount of ships both sides have still.
4) This Bran being a robot bullshit was the wrong way to go, but they have committed to it, there is no reason he can't marry Meera and hold Winterfell, being three-eyed raven didn't turn Max von Sydow into a robot and it didn't turn him into one until he reached the Wall this season, he had plenty of time after the escape from the cave to make the transition but we never actually saw it.
5) anyone else notice the Ironborn still pissed at Theon when Jon said he wasn't going to kill him? idk what they are all mad about he killed a shit load of dudes and they wouldn't be alive if they didn't run as well
6) this thing about not attacking Kings Landing is dumb, if they know their own history then they should re-read the Dance of the Dragons (the book Shireen made a point of talking about before she was killed 2 seasons ago) Dany can land the dragon in the courtyard and things would be over, if she wanted to she could roast the keep and not burn the city (any1 still in the keep at this point probably deserves the same fate as Harren the Black)
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 07, 2017 03:31

hahahahaha, i like your red keep logic xD

Also Davos "you were looking at her heart" oolalah
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by blackninja9939 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 19:54

Azsouth wrote:4) This Bran being a robot bullshit was the wrong way to go, but they have committed to it, there is no reason he can't marry Meera and hold Winterfell, being three-eyed raven didn't turn Max von Sydow into a robot and it didn't turn him into one until he reached the Wall this season, he had plenty of time after the escape from the cave to make the transition but we never actually saw it.

I love how they are doing Bran. It took Bloodraven years to master his powers to be able to control it and see what he wants when. Bran has not got that mastery as clearly shown when he first uses it on his own and gets the flood of images.
See it from Brans eyes, he sees everything all the time in tiny snippets. He sees random information and when he talks to someone he sees snippets more closely related to them. That would change you as a man, it would make you different and robotic as you become detached from the present and see everything all the time.
I think it is great!
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Bochlevik » Mon Aug 07, 2017 23:21

I completely agree on the fact that I found this episode way too short !

About the ships, it would seem legitimate that after (or even way before) the death of the Queen of Thorns (RIP, she was my favourite show character) the famous Redwyne fleet would have joined Dany (Olenna was a Redwyne after all). Seeing the speed at which navies sail in the series it wouldn't pose a problem.

I totally awaited the Field of Fire style of the battle. I sincerelly hope Randyll suffers the same fate as the Gardener kings, but I think Dickon can still have a great role to play.

The only thing that bothers me is that this show could give you the special feeling that any character you love might die anytime : in the latest seasons, I regret this isn't a reality anymore... I think Bronn should have died in this episode, after failing to shoot Drogon down.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Syrio » Thu Aug 10, 2017 17:12

They really need to kill off someone important now, it's been too long. Anyone but Tyrion of course :lol:

1) I also don't think Drogon should have been pierced by the bolt. If it were really that simple, more dragons would have been killed by men.

2) The scene with Bronn running to the big crossbow was amazing. The chaos surrounding him and with Drogon overhead perfectly illustrated what it would be like in a battle with a dragon.

3)Daenerys doesn't want to take King's Landing directly because of the severe civilian casualties yet she had no issues with killing all the slave masters. I do understand that they were probably bad people but I am sure many of them weren't as cruel as they were made out to be. She has ordered many to be massacred so what is her issue now? Storming King's Landing with her armies and dragons is a sure way to win the war, yes many will die but how more will die under Cersei's rule? Her other plans have failed, with her allies being either killed or taken hostage, it's time to take King's Landing.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by azaghal » Fri Aug 11, 2017 20:38

Killing the Masters was a specific reaction to them marking the way with crucified slave-children. For every child she killed one master.
Killing thousands if not tens of thousands of civilians just for living in the wrong city is a different kind of thing imo.

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Re: Season 7 Episode 4 (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Specialist » Mon Aug 14, 2017 01:30

Syrio wrote:They really need to kill off someone important now, it's been too long. Anyone but Tyrion of course :lol:

1) I also don't think Drogon should have been pierced by the bolt. If it were really that simple, more dragons would have been killed by men.

2) The scene with Bronn running to the big crossbow was amazing. The chaos surrounding him and with Drogon overhead perfectly illustrated what it would be like in a battle with a dragon.

3)Daenerys doesn't want to take King's Landing directly because of the severe civilian casualties yet she had no issues with killing all the slave masters. I do understand that they were probably bad people but I am sure many of them weren't as cruel as they were made out to be. She has ordered many to be massacred so what is her issue now? Storming King's Landing with her armies and dragons is a sure way to win the war, yes many will die but how more will die under Cersei's rule? Her other plans have failed, with her allies being either killed or taken hostage, it's time to take King's Landing.


1) Agreed. I go a step further: Bronn, who has most certainly not shot a Scorpio at a flying animal before, shouldn't have even come close with his first few shots. Perhaps he could come close after a third or fourth shot, but actually hitting Drogon in two shots is absurd.

2) I liked this scene, but I got a bit irritated when I saw that Bronn threw a dagger, quite literally, more than the length of a football field, accurately, from horseback. WHAT?! With the dagger throwing ability that surpasses Daario's and a marksmanship ability better than Robin Hood's, this guy should be the most famous warrior in the world. Why was he afraid of fighting the Mountain again?

3) Movie magic. D&D need suspense to make the show more interesting, suspense that may or may not be present when TWOW actually comes out. I think GRRM will go a different route with TWOW (something to do with Euron and his special items, mayhaps) to create legitimate suspense, rather than the current tactic of, "I don't want to burn thousands of innocent people alive, so let me burn thousands of other innocent people alive."
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