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Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 28, 2017 03:30

Hory sheeeeet. So we started off with a reunion of pod and tyrion, and bronn, and brienne and the hound. And a Cersei and Tyrion. Wonder what Tyrion said to Cersei to change her mind (kinda, not really). I legit thought Cersei might kill Jaime, good to see he'll be fighting for the living. The Hound speaking to the Mountain, and how he'll kill him.

Jon is actually AEGON MOTHERFREAKING TARGARYEN. So we hear the real name at last. And simultaneously see him getting it on with Daenerys, who may be able to have kids after all. Also Tyrion listening in awkwardly. We got to see Rhaegar and Lyanna's wedding, they married for love and the whole rebellion was silly. Well, cept for the mad king being a total douche. Surely Lyanna could have told someone?

Littlefinger finally got his comeuppance, only took 7 seasons. Sisterly love at winterfell.

Euron pretending to leave but actually going to ferry the Golden Company over for Cersei's master plan, of bitchyness.
Theon killing the other guy, that was awesome to see him get kicked in the nuts and be impervious. Now going to save Yara hooray!

And of course, the last moment we could all guess was coming. The Wall came down. I didn't expect that though but that undead dragon is going to be proving quite a problem. Really hope my main man Tormund and Beric too, survive.

Mixed feelings towards it all.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Azsouth » Mon Aug 28, 2017 03:41

he named two of his kids Aegon Targaryen? cmon show, you made such a huge deal about the Mountain killing Elia's children and Oberyn showing up for the fight surly you can remember one of the childs names. Could have named him Jaeherys or something, which was Aery's fathers name, or Aemon for Maester Aemon since Rhaegar was good friends w/ Maester Aemon when they where both alive.

wtf even is Sam now? I don't think he's in the Nights Watch, he sure as hell isn't a maester, and he's not Lord of Horn Hill at the moment

I hope Beric and Tormund survived, idk why if they saw the dragon was damaging the wall they didn't at least try to shot at it w/ some dragon glass tipped arrows or something, maybe someone could have actually killed the dragon or Night King, then there would be no need for the Great Northern Defense.

When Arya and Sansa where talking just before the wall scene I half expected Gendry (where the hell was he? if he was in Eastwatch recovering he is dead now) to show up so Arya could fantasize about possibly being the lady of Storms End lol

was the Rhaegar actor Harry Lloyd? (the actor who played Viserys) he looked almost exactly like him
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by NTFTH » Mon Aug 28, 2017 03:47

Azsouth wrote:he named two of his kids Aegon Targaryen? cmon show, you made such a huge deal about the Mountain killing Elia's children and Oberyn showing up for the fight surly you can remember one of the childs names. Could have named him Jaeherys or something, which was Aery's fathers name, or Aemon for Maester Aemon since Rhaegar was good friends w/ Maester Aemon when they where both alive.


Jaeherys doesn't exist in the show's continuity, Egg was Aerys father in the show.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 28, 2017 03:49

NTFTH wrote:
Azsouth wrote:he named two of his kids Aegon Targaryen? cmon show, you made such a huge deal about the Mountain killing Elia's children and Oberyn showing up for the fight surly you can remember one of the childs names. Could have named him Jaeherys or something, which was Aery's fathers name, or Aemon for Maester Aemon since Rhaegar was good friends w/ Maester Aemon when they where both alive.


Jaeherys doesn't exist in the show's continuity, Egg was Aerys father in the show.

^this, also sam is in the Watch, why would you think otherwise?
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Specialist » Mon Aug 28, 2017 04:00

NTFTH wrote:
Jaeherys doesn't exist in the show's continuity, Egg was Aerys father in the show.

Regardless, Rhaegar named his firstborn son Aegon (who would have been Aegon VI) and also named his secondborn son Aegon? That seems odd.

I understand not naming his son Aerys or Viserys (though Viserys would fit. Rhaegar's kids were named Aegon and Rhaenys, Visenya/Viserys would have been next), but why not Aemon, Daemon, Aerion, Aurion, Aenar, Aegor, Maekar, Maegor, or Aenys?

Any of those would make more sense than naming his second son the same as his first son. Unless, of course, Rhaegar is George Foreman in disguise...
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Toccs » Mon Aug 28, 2017 04:00

Dawnbreaker wrote:Surely Lyanna could have told someone?


That's why I've never understood the idea in the fandom that Rhaegar and Lyanna are some awesomely beautiful romantic couple. They ran off on a scandalous affair and then willfully let all their family and friends go to war and die over it. Imagine what Jon would have turned out like if he was raised with the moral guidance of those two.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Arthurius Targaryen » Mon Aug 28, 2017 05:24

A fine episode, Game of Thrones has generally had good finales.
The whole confronting Cersei with the "i love my family, but hate you (insert lannister brother here)" was smart.
They made her character, a little, too smart in the show. In the book she is really not in control of anything.

Whoever had, Daenerys and Jon have sex because, fans, you won a bet.

The general banter, and writing, was good for this episode, but overall this season had terrible writing, besides this.

The writers are being lazy, so they choose expedience over reasoning, and apparently enough of the viewership are big enough sheeple consumers to not point this out.
Gave the Others a Dragon to melt the wall, okay, makes sense, did you really have to do it the way they did??
The finale does make the other episodes in this season look like filler, which is kinda bad, but hey, people are getting paid.

Again, i must reiterate my point from episode 6, they're probably gonna devote maybe 3 or 4 episodes to defeating the others, and they 2 to killing Cersei and Daenerys winning. OR, Daenerys dies saving everybody from the others, and now apparently, potentially Jon becomes King, with no queen. OR, they all die, and Cersei is left standing without anyone else in the show, and her kid ends up being a total monstrousity or something.(which would be hilarious in the sense of the show).
Because again, the way the show has been headed, "There Can Only Be One" ! , seems to be the Theme for how many characters must die, because either, lack of plot armor, or because X.
Also the whole Arya and Sansa snaring Littlefinger, was not convincing, at all. It was just not convincing regardless of how much you can say "oh they're sisters, and they trust each other first before Littlefinger". Was period not convincing.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Azsouth » Mon Aug 28, 2017 05:28

no Sam isn't in the watch anymore, he simply just wants to fight against the dead, and he sure as hell isn't going to set Gilly aside, even if they aren't married in the show/books (at this point I'd consider them common law married in the show)

yes I knew they skiped over Aery's father in the show, thought maybe it was just a screw up like Sam at one point saying the wall was 500 miles long instead of 300

in the after show they said w/ Bran narrating everything that John being a Targ and his name being Aegon was going to cause conflict...how? show and book canon shows incest is perfectly fine and I don't think that once either of them have gotten to the point of fucking each other they particularly care who will actually be seated on the pointy chair

Jaime leaving King Landing w/o the army makes kind of sense also but he is now and apparently has been Lord Paramount of the Westerlands and Warden of the West, shouldn't the bannermen he was talking to in the map room still be loyal to him if they are Westerman?, fine the Crownlands doesn't go, but he should be rallying as many people as he can to go North with him, he may even earn a pardon from Dany (since she acknowledges how bad her father was and the he killed em). Ffs find Edmure Tully in whichever dungeon the show decided to keep him in (Casterly Rock, The Twins, Lannisport (? since it's the only place that wasn't show where everyone died or was conquered)) and have him rally the Riverlords. Dorne and The Reach banners could also be rallied as Jaime was the one who beat the Reach so they should be loyal to him, not Cersei, and Dorne, whoever is in charge of Dorne is either still sworn to Dany or would have heard about what happened in Kings Landing and wouldn't want to stay out of the fight (probably the flimsiest but everyone on the continent will have to either fall into the Cersei or Jaime camp at this point where they are either fighting for the living or letting everyone up north fight it out and hope only a small host makes it back that they have to fight) same w/ the Stormlords though we haven't heard anything from them since the battle of the Blackwater in the show
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 28, 2017 06:50

Azsouth wrote:no Sam isn't in the watch anymore, he simply just wants to fight against the dead, and he sure as hell isn't going to set Gilly aside, even if they aren't married in the show/books (at this point I'd consider them common law married in the show)

He hasn't broken any of his vows, and the whole point of the watch is to fight the dead. Don't know why you're so certain he isn't in the watch.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Azsouth » Mon Aug 28, 2017 07:06

Dawnbreaker wrote:
Azsouth wrote:no Sam isn't in the watch anymore, he simply just wants to fight against the dead, and he sure as hell isn't going to set Gilly aside, even if they aren't married in the show/books (at this point I'd consider them common law married in the show)

He hasn't broken any of his vows, and the whole point of the watch is to fight the dead. Don't know why you're so certain he isn't in the watch.


did he not fuck Gilly? did he not show little Sam to everyone else in the world as his bastard son?

as far as the universe is concerned he laid w/ a woman and fathered a child
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Specialist » Mon Aug 28, 2017 08:17

Arthurius Targaryen wrote:Also the whole Arya and Sansa snaring Littlefinger, was not convincing, at all. It was just not convincing regardless of how much you can say "oh they're sisters, and they trust each other first before Littlefinger". Was period not convincing.


The trial was a sham too. The only thing Sansa could "prove" was that Littlefinger had killed Lysa, and even that is nonsensical. By admitting to the court that she saw him kill Lysa, Sansa admitted that she lied to Bronze Yohn about the murder, which makes her complicit. Is anything going to happen as a result? Probably not.

The rest of the trial was, "Here's an unfounded accusation. What do you have to say for yourself?" and him miserably trying to weasel his way out of the unfounded accusation. If that is how justice is done in the North, it's a wonder that Ned had a problem with Aerys killing Rickard and Brandon. After all, Sansa just had a man's throat cut because she claimed that he did evil things with no proof, and Aerys only executed people who demanded his son's head on a spike. In this case, Aerys even had more right to execute the Starks than Sansa did to execute Baelish.

...and don't get me started on Bran's magic visions. Who in the bloody court of Winterfell would believe that Bran, a boy clearly out of his mind who spends hours a day staring at Wierwoods and mumbling about being a three-eyed raven, actually knew anything about what Baelish did?

In CK2 terms, Sansa is now either Dishonorable or an Arbitrary Tyrant. Great job, "Lady of Winterfell," we're all proud of you! :roll:
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Dawnbreaker » Mon Aug 28, 2017 09:41

Azsouth wrote:did he not fuck Gilly? did he not show little Sam to everyone else in the world as his bastard son?

as far as the universe is concerned he laid w/ a woman and fathered a child
Having sex doesn't break their oath. And he told his family little Sam was his bastard, no-one else that we know of.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by LancelotLoire » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:20

Spoiler: show
First things first, they still insist that the Dothraki are a military force to be feared. A cavalry that wields short curved blades made for cutting flesh, not piercing armor. A cavalry that wears no armor at all. A cavalry whose only battle strategy is to ride directly at their opponent head on every single time without fail. HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Okay so anyways skipping most of the pleasantries, I rather enjoy that both Bronn and Tyrion still have a form of respect for each other. This was of course made apparent in a previous episode though so eh.

I am gonna take a stab at a guess that Cersei's plan to get Euron on his way to Essos to get the Golden Company was by escalating a "confrontation" between Theon and/or Tyrion. I'm guessing that if the wight hadn't been brought out he would have continued and been removed himself. Then in "anger" declare he's returning to the Iron Islands or something.

The Tyrion/Cersei meeting was perfectly in character. Absolutely nothing wrong with the scene at all.

Littlefinger attempting to twist Sansa around his finger.. This really doesn't make too much sense to me I'd say. His little plot lately hasn't been making too much sense at all.

Dragonstone bit of scenes were fairly well put together I thought. The suggestions from both Jorah and Jon both were well put.

Theon Greyjoy scenes. First the talk with Jon Snow and then discussing with their crew. Very well put together stuff I thought. Theon gets a touch of redemption for his actions as well as trying to rectify them by saving his sister. Gotta love hollywoods idea that a kick to their if you have no balls isn't going to hurt. Pretty sure it still hurts as their is some stuff you can't actually remove.

The next scene with the Baelish trial.... Um what? I think the only case you actually have any chance for is the murder of Lysa... That would also make you an accessory to murder however. Anyways though why would you grovel? They had no proof. You're supposed to be a cunning intelligent man. Then again your entire "plot" for this season hasn't made any sense. All stupid honestly.

We next get Jamie ordering the forces to march North.. Cersei then immediately dismisses all the commanders and tells about how she's going against her word... I wonder if any of the forces are going to march North? They probably got called back in and new orders... But there is a possibility they went to prep for the march and left.. Ahwell. Jaime is heading North and that kinda points towards an idea I had.

The next segment of scenes are a bit wild. We get to see Rhaegar wooo!!!!!!!!! He looks a bit like Viserys, very good choice on actors I think. One curious question though.. If only Dornish bastards are named Sand, why would Jon be named a Sand? His real father was Valyrian and Mother was a Northerner. When he thought Eddard was his father, the belief of his mother was that she was from DORNE or the Stormlands. So clearly he should have been a Sand or Storm instead of a Snow right? Anyways whatever. We also discover that his real name is AEGON Targaryen.. TV Rhaegar already had a son named Aegon. They literally could have pulled any name out of their asses to use. We then also got to see Jon and Daenerys having sex which I mean of course it was gonna happen. I wonder what their reaction will be when Dany finds out that Jon is actually her nephew. For some reason now whenever I see Jon and Dany that song Strip that Down by Liam Payne just runs through my head... Wonder why. I mean maybe Jon used to be in One D?

Finally we have Eastwatch being attacked by the Others, their army and the dead dragon that now somehow breathes blue fire. Why is the fire blue.. and why isn't it ice based? Also why have they just now attacked the wall again? The Night King can throw spears harder than a ballista can fire one. He could have torn the wall down ages ago with that.


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@NTFTH: Jaehaerys II didn't exist in the shows continuity, but Jaehaerys I the Wise did.

@Azsouth: Yeah I'm not sure why they chose to go with naming him Aegon. They literally could have pulled any name out of their ass for him but chose to repeat Rhaegar's other sons name. I guess this means that they are merging Aegon (VI) with Jon and that he won't be making an appearance in the tv show. I agree that the name Jaehaerys was a better choice, however as I just mentioned, Jaehaerys the Wise more. As he had named his first son Aegon it would be fitting he name his second son after the other most famous Targaryen King no?

Harry Lloyd played Viserys, Wilf Scolding played Rhaegar. And has a crazy similar appearance to Lloyd. Like talk about good casting choice there.

@Whomever said it/Dawnbreaker: Sam is indeed still in the Nightswatch. He was sent down to the Citadel to train to be the nightswatch new maester, but he still is a member.

@Specialist: Again agree on the naming convention.

@Toccs: I'm guessing that them slipping away was more proprietary in that Rhaegar was already married at the time and Lyanna was betrothed to Robert. They were probably enjoying themselves and the news of the rebellion broke out before they realized. After this point I'd say that any letter Lyanna would have sent to her family would not have been believed (under duress kinda thing). Also I'd think that Rhaegar would not have been forthcoming because it could mean losing the Martell allegiance in the war. The Dornish don't care about paramores and the like, but the divorcing of Elia and taking a new wife would have crossed them. Afterwards anybody else whom would have known about the marriage would have kept the lid on it because Robert was able to win and likely would have killed them.

@Azsouth 2.0: Sex for a member of the Nightswatch is frowned upon but isn't stopped. Most of the officers go to that village nearby for it.

@Specialist 2.0: Tell me about it. The entire sequence of things was mostly circumstantial, and why is he groveling? He's supposed to be a master of Intrigue and the superior to Varys. I mean we already know Varys is completely useless on intrigue in the tv show.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by SinStar87 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 15:07

Arthurius Targaryen wrote:The writers are being lazy, so they choose expedience over reasoning, and apparently enough of the viewership are big enough sheeple consumers to not point this out.

So glad you are taking a stand and not finishing the show with the rest of us sheeple. Tell me, what consequences do we get to inflict if you do?
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by LancelotLoire » Mon Aug 28, 2017 15:39

Sin he didn't say he wasn't going to finish the show :p I mean I absolutely hated Battlestar Galactica yet I watched every single annoying episode (DIE ROSLIN FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Watched that entire blasted show for her to die and she survived the entire show run!)

Within the last week I read an article which involved an interview with production or a writer or something. They mentioned that they'd been hearing about lots of complaints and as they put it "nitpicking", considering it good that people are being so engrossed in the show to nitpick. I have to wonder what kind of "nitpicking" they've heard, cause I'd basically just point to like 80% of the last 3 seasons or so as being completely shit. Like I keep hearing this mention of the Night King violating Brandon Stark and I have absolutely no idea what that reference is about at all.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by SinStar87 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 15:42

Did you act better than everyone else who was watching it cause you complained about the crappiness of it while you watched? I know he didn't say he wasn't watching, just pointing out he's being arrogant *expletives deleted so I don't get banned for insulting the users again*
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Specialist » Mon Aug 28, 2017 16:21

SinStar87 wrote:Did you act better than everyone else who was watching it cause you complained about the crappiness of it while you watched? I know he didn't say he wasn't watching, just pointing out he's being arrogant *expletives deleted so I don't get banned for insulting the users again*


I'll be honest, I'm sort of straddling the line between you and Arthurius. I think D&D are doing an awful job with the writing now that there is no source material, but I still enjoy the show. I will continue to insult the show and point out fallacious writing, but I will continue to watch the show and enjoy it.

For my brain to turn off when watching Game of Thrones is absurd (I'm used to analyzing every moment up through S4 and some of S5), so when I see ravens traveling at Mach 2 down to Dragonstone and Dany traveling at Mach 3 on her dragons (the ravens and dragons traveled a total of 4,000 miles in less than 24 hours. Unless these ravens have the ability to travel at a minimum of 100mph, and the dragons at 500mph, this isn't possible) it pisses me off.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by SinStar87 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 16:25

I don't care if you watch or not, complain about it or love it to pieces, my problem is his dumping on others who watch while watching it himself.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Specialist » Mon Aug 28, 2017 17:01

SinStar87 wrote:I don't care if you watch or not, complain about it or love it to pieces, my problem is his dumping on others who watch while watching it himself.


Fair enough.
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Re: Season 7 Episode 7 FINALE (Spoilers)

PostPosted by Blitzbirne91 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 18:02

If i remember correctly the names of rhaegar's children are not mentioned in the show or am i wrong ?

If the names are not mentioned in the show i can go with the "aegon" thing, although i dont think this is the best name for him...he is nota conquerer. He is a savior of the world.
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