The Citadel

Yeah, I say we give them names of some sort, even if we end up naming it "House Hroppa" for some little county.

That's a fair point.

Hroppa, I implemented your suggestions. Does this look better?



Here's the current distribution of de jure duchies. Some tweaking might now be in order...



My suggestions:

- Create a new duchy with Ninestars, Crab's Shore and Wickenden (Duchy of Wickenden and the Waxleys as dukes, perhaps?).
- Give Redfort to Gulltown.
- Give Darkmoor to the Giant's Lance.
- Give Moonsgrey to Strongsong (as you said).

EDIT: Now that I see it again, I will also enlarge Crow's Barrens so it borders Greywater Watch and denies the Freys access to the Bite.

That looks amazing! I love how the central Vale really does look like a sheltered valley now

Duchies fixed, as you suggest, except for making the Waxleys Dukes. There isn't really a great case for making someone a duke in that area at the start; the named characters (Waxleys, Templetons) are knights.

Added some new characters as lords for some regions. The google doc is now correct with regards to ownership (I think). Stopped short of adding any new dynasties, and there are now no Moon clansman lords (in accordance with our current plans to represent them with modifiers and mercs). So there are still a few provinces without any lords set.

Ticked a couple of cross-regional marriages off the list.

is anybody working on the initial buildings for the vale? it appears to be the only region left to do. if not I can do it tomorrow.

didn't sunspear do it?

i dont think so, there are no vale files in his folder or the balancing test folder. Unless he is in the middle of working on them...

knuckey wrote:i dont think so, there are no vale files in his folder or the balancing test folder. Unless he is in the middle of working on them...

As far as I know nobody is working on it, so if you want to do it feel free. I can help if you want.

Knuckey did you start yet? If not I could do them too. Since I did 3 other regions I'm pretty fast with that.

I decided to start working on giving base values to the Vale, but found a few things I'm not sure I agree with. Mainly it was a slight lack of settlements (the Vale doesn't have many provinces, and a lot of them are very crappy, so the decent ones should compensate for that) and no Septs (we should try to give septs at least to duchy capitals; even if they are just for flavor for now, in the future they might not be). But the one I disagree with the most is the fact that they are a lot of max_settlements = 1 in there. Now, I know the Fingers were crappy places, but not THAT crappy. Right now that area is by far the worst in all Westeros.

In my opinion, no province south of the Wall should have less than 2 max_settlements, and even these should be relatively rare. After a quick search, I found the following: Out of the 950~ land provinces in vanilla, only 35 have less than 3 max_settlements, and only TWO of them are max_settlements = 1 (keep in mind we have about 350 land provinces, so divide these results by 3...). They would correspond to our worst beyond-the-wall provinces, and max_settlemens = 2 would be only the absolute crappiest provinces south of the Wall. In my opinion, the Fingers might have 2 max settlements, and one of them (the "duchy capital", so to say) could even have 3, with 2 of them built (not the Baelish one, of course; it's explicitly stated to be the worst one).

Nice work cabe, I wouldn't of been able to do any of this until tomorrow evening anyway so it would be good to get it done sooner. Then we can get into the process of actually balancing.

I pretty much concur on the max holdings thing, although ive found running the game for a couple of centuries all provinces are pretty much built to max holdings as there is nothing else to spend money on. It might be a good idea to implement the other building chains early on to counter this.

in my save (War of the Usurper scenario) the Mountain Clans for YEARS-DECADES now have had a levy of 30k just sitting around in the vale - no movement, no nothing.

I think it is a bug - since it has been there for years.

and if I try to wage any war vs the Eyrie or anyone in the Vale - the war ends inconclusively right on the spot

Rody wrote:in my save (War of the Usurper scenario) the Mountain Clans for YEARS-DECADES now have had a levy of 30k just sitting around in the vale - no movement, no nothing.

I think it is a bug - since it has been there for years.

and if I try to wage any war vs the Eyrie or anyone in the Vale - the war ends inconclusively right on the spot

Actually I think it is, I remember Devs saying they are going to do away with that Event that spawns them for the next patch till they come up with a better plan to make it to work.

Which makes me wonder, if it's something as simple as putting a "#" next to the line of events for this, any idea where this is so I can simply change it myself? As it's not game-breaking, but still annoying for me too, heh.

thanks,

MP

Yeah.. We said we will disable them for now.
At least till the end of the Euro (if we even release something before that), its in two files marked mini_invasion_1 & _2 simply remove them...

I had some plans to make them "camp" on a teritorry and devastate its economy... forcing the owner/his liege to deal with them with a specific cb.
But i lack the time to make it so.

Ogaburan wrote:Yeah.. We said we will disable them for now.
I had some plans to make them "camp" on a teritorry and devastate its economy... forcing the owner/his liege to deal with them with a specific cb.
But i lack the time to make it so.

Ahh doh that's ashame, heh.. Thanks for pointing out the files though

Aye, a shame, I like the invasions (even though the Summer Islander one tends to be more pathetic in their failures than anything).

Good work on the latest Vale update in 0.3.1, its nice to see all families with complete histories! And Ned's great-aunt is finally married into House Royce! Just one minor nitpick here: One of her daughters still needs to be married to a Corbray... Daveth would work if the women are made a few years older, or maybe add a new Corbray just for that purpose.

Tycho wrote:Good work on the latest Vale update in 0.3.1, its nice to see all families with complete histories! And Ned's great-aunt is finally married into House Royce! Just one minor nitpick here: One of her daughters still needs to be married to a Corbray... Daveth would work if the women are made a few years older, or maybe add a new Corbray just for that purpose.

Damn, I knew I forgot something like that. Thanks, I'll change it for the next version.

With The Sisters, House Sunderland is set as the High Lords. Sunderland Hall however is not the county capital of Sweetsister, Breakwater is which makes House Borrell the Lords of Sweetsister. I'm not sure if this done purposefully or not it just seemed a little weird to me.

EDIT: disregard, after rereading the text and looking at the wiki, the way it currently is seems to be the best way, and the only way to have both Houses Borrel and Sunderland playable.