The Citadel

Edric Storm wrote:That is fine mate, I wasn't expecting you to make loads of armour/helmet types for each culture.

Looking forward to seeing more stuff.

I believe one set of armor per each culture, or at least one set per culture group, should be sufficient enough for now. These should be Northmen, Andal, Ironborn, and Dornish. The Northmen have always come off as wearing an open bascinet with chainmail hanging down from rims of the helmet. The Andal would wear bascinets with faces. Ironborn would wear viking like helmets, like the spectacles helmet. The Dornish I am not too sure of, probably somewhere between Western and Eastern culture, like the Byzantines.

If I get the time to start working on armor for specific culture for Valeman I think I would use the design worn by Ser Vardis Egan:



I don't think he looks as outrageous as most other knights. The visor would be lifted up of course.

Peuri wrote:As soon as I am done with the northmen I'll go over to the dornishmen. I haven't found a lot of pictures of the dornishmen though, and the TV series hasn't progressed to the part where dornishmen are seen, so I can't use that as a reference either. I always imagined them having light indian type of clothes with bright colours etc. I would love to hear some suggestions about the kind of clothing people think would a appropriate for them.

To me they always looked much more like mozarabic rather than indian. That's it, not western but neither completely eastern/muslim.

for me, they're like sarracens.

tryadelion wrote:for me, they're like sarracens.

This was my thought, as I do not know what armor they had in Moorish Spain.

Here we have some pictures of nasrid soldiers. Have in mind the nasrid dinasty ruled Granada from 1238 till 1492.



Some reenactment.



And a couple of historical pictures (not from the time).

Nice pictures FgM. I've not seen many images of Moors from that period, very interesting!

I am doing some sketches at work (don't tell my boss), mostly concerning which helmet types to use. Mostly I have done open-visored bascinets. They look pretty good, but vertical hinged visors pretty much become nonexistent if you place them within the frame of the portrait. The horizontal hinged visors are much more visible. I will see how they look like on photoshop sometime later this week after I get a lot of homework done.

This is really awesome. Great work!!

Here are some sketches I did at work today. I drew a red circle over the faces to indicate the portrait border.

Four armor variations for knights. The top middle one was drawn using Ser Vardis Egan as a reference.



The only thing interesting to note here is the bottom left corner image of an open hounskull helmet. I am thinking of painting that one and using it for all Andal warriors before I get into making different armor sets for each culture.



Here are drawings of the HBO series' take on the armors. which I will use for an HBO sub-mod. The first is obviously the Lanniser Guard helmet, meant for Westermen. If you ask me, this is the only silly looking piece, but these armor sets are meant for common footsoldiers, not for commanders. The second is meant for Crownlanders which I pretty much stole from the King's Landing City Watch, but I intend to switch the color from gold to gray steel. The third is the bascinet of the Stark guards which I would use for Northmen. The fourth are the Baratheon Guards, which I would use for Stormlanders. I would probably remove the stag headpiece, even though I don't think it's too silly. It's just that not every dynasty in the Stormlands uses a stag for their sigil. The final one at the bottom I took from one of the warriors following Ser Vardis Egan. I noticed they were uniform so they are probably Arryn guards, so I would use them for the Valemen.



Any thoughts?

I have updated with an additional helmet: The Hounskull.
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The Hounskull is the knightly helmet most of you have been asking for. However, the portrait frame is too low to show the raised visor so it pretty much looks like a regular 'ol bascinet.

It is not quite done but is in presentable condition. I am uploading the .dds files to my team folder.

A few new clothing pieces for northern females and added shadow to the left side of some clothes.
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Thanks a lot for the reference pictures for the dornish!

@dauncosony. The hounskull helmet is great!

Peuri wrote:@dauncosony. The hounskull helmet is great!

+1!

Also your new female clothes are nice!

Back to Dorne, I found some Osprey images which could be useful for armor and some stuff. I've been looking for everything they had on Spanish muslims, from Cordoba to Zaragoza, Seville or Granada.

Caution: Image heavy post.















Problem is that it covers 12th to 15th century, probably some 13thish looking would be the best.

made this, but i have broken two instalations trying to put it ingame. soo... if anyone wants to try... (head's been cut by gimp. twice.)

Dauncosony, I really appreciate that you are making a HBO graphical sub-mod. Now everyone will be happy.

Nice sketches, keep going.

seen some of these ingame there looking really good mate

I merged the maester clothes into the main dropbox build and made them show for maesters only. Please tell me if you see people who are not maesters wearing them.

i havnt seen any non maester wearing their outfit yet but ill keep a eye out

Dornish is still a difficult one... We have the historic basis of the Iberian Moors or Mozarabs, but the picture examples contained so far have quite a few religious and religiously influenced cultural adornments and looks. I think we need to refer to the descriptions provided within the books far more to weed out what should be included and what shouldn't before attempting portraits. So I would start reading the Dornish chapters so we get more of a basis of what to include, I'll read the storm of swords chapters tonight and see if it helps. Edit: Feast for Crows chapters

Unsullied
Okay a request, purely if you have the time though as its not an important one... An Unsullied officer. Can only imagine his portrait being used in-game as the mercenary captains portrait (Possibly a sprite for the map in the future if we go that far). So its really not important right now, just thought Id add the request if you guys feel like doing something different as you go along.

Key things for the portrait.
- An officer wears a bronze cap with three spikes, descending in height from front to back, rather than the one spike cap of normal unsullied.
- Sword, shield, spear, sandals, quilted tunic, and spiked caps are all of the equipment that comes with each Unsullied. (Sleeveless tunic I believe)
- They carry spear, shield and shortsword (for a possible sprite some other time)
- More than half have the copper skin and almond eyes of Dothrak and Lhazerene, but there are men from the Free Cities among them, as well as Qartheen, Summer Islanders, and others from more far-flung places
- All the Unsullied have eyes that seem dead of all emotion
- They are cut before puberty so should have no facial/body hair whatsoever
- They tend to not be overbuilt for the same reason, so the shoulders should not look too big on the portrait imo. Just defined, if possible.

Think that covers it