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The Northern Clans

PostPosted by Smoesville » Sun May 06, 2012 17:24

I searched but i haven't found anything about this. Basically i get the impression that the lords of the Northern Clans are along the lines of the Highland/Gaelic society of Scotland/Ireland. The main reason being the fact they name their lords with the family name prefixed with 'the' eg The Liddle in the same way as 'The O'Neill' or 'The Ross' of Gealic society. With that in mind i was wondering if the succession laws were the same for the clans or if they were more along the lines of an agnatic elective/senority style of succession since that's what was used (especially in Ireland) where all the males of the family elected their new leader from amongst themselves.
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Re: The Northern Clans

PostPosted by dauncosony » Sun May 06, 2012 19:13

Smoesville wrote:The main reason being the fact they name their lords with the family name prefixed with 'the' eg The Liddle in the same way as 'The O'Neill' or 'The Ross' of Gealic society.


O' means "Grandson of" and Mac means "Son of"... so I don't think O'Neill is the best example to use here.
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Re: The Northern Clans

PostPosted by Smoesville » Sun May 06, 2012 20:11

O'Neill is the anglicised version of Uí Neill, mac is son of, O' is grandson of and Uí or Ua is descendant of. O'Neill is the family/clan name, for example, Padraic MacConchobar Uí Neill, would be Padraic son of Conchobar of the tribe Neill. Having said that, what you've said has absolutely nothing to do with what i asked. The Term 'The O'Neill' is the term used (in english) to denote the elected leader of the clan, possibly 'An Uí Neill' in Irish (though prehaps not, it would have been old/middle irish).

In case you missed it, i asked would the Mountain/Northern Clans have an agnatic elective/senority type succession i believe the closest thing CK2 has to Tanistry, the mention of O'Neill was as an example.
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Re: The Northern Clans

PostPosted by dauncosony » Sun May 06, 2012 20:39

Smoesville wrote:O'Neill is the anglicised version of Uí Neill, mac is son of, O' is grandson of and Uí or Ua is descendant of. O'Neill is the family/clan name, for example, Padraic MacConchobar Uí Neill, would be Padraic son of Conchobar of the tribe Neill. Having said that, what you've said has absolutely nothing to do with what i asked. The Term 'The O'Neill' is the term used (in english) to denote the elected leader of the clan, possibly 'An Uí Neill' in Irish (though prehaps not, it would have been old/middle irish).

In case you missed it, i asked would the Mountain/Northern Clans have an agnatic elective/senority type succession i believe the closest thing CK2 has to Tanistry, the mention of O'Neill was as an example.


I vaguely remember that the leader of a Northern Clan tribe is chosen in DWD, but the memory is fuzzy.
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