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v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Ogaburan » Mon Jun 04, 2012 00:49

New version, old request;
We'v been doing this in our testing forum, and since the information is proving to be very helpful i thought i'll open a thread here as well;

It will really help if those of you that have the time go into observe mod and report back on the following;
- Who you play, or are you just observing.
- What year Roberts Rebellion ended & who won?
- Who did Arianne Martel Marry? (Mat./Pat.?)
- Did you see any Targaryans getting married? (Incestly)
- If so how many children did their marriage produce.
- Did you see any Genius Targaryans?
- Details on "Megawards" (Claims against the iron thrown that break the realm, u will know it when u see it).

It can help us allot in forming a more complete picture about whats going on.

Example;
Kingsgrave wrote:282 - Megawar I start.
283 - Tywin declares himself King of the Rock, as usual.
286 - Stannis dies in the dungeons of Mace Tyrell.
290 - Rhaegar dies in battle.
307 - Aerys dies. Aegon VI now reigns. The war continues.
316 - Rebellion end. Targaryen victory. Robert is imprisoned. Tyrion and the Westerlands remain independent.
354 - Aegon VI 'the Cruel' Targaryen dies, aged 73. Viserys III Targaryen now reigns.
370 - Megawar II. Viserys III 'the Bold' Targaryen dies of syphilis, aged 60. Aegon VII Targaryen now reigns. His heir is one "Jorah Umber." Vaermon Targaryen, Lord of Dragonstone, declares war based on his claim to the throne. Only the Stormlands remain loyal to the new king.
372 - Megawar II ends. King Vaermon I Targaryen now reigns.
376 - Megawar III. Lord Paramount Edwyd I 'the Careless' Tyrell of the Reach declares war against the tyranny of King Vaermon I Targaryen. The Vale sides with the Reach, the North, the Riverlands, and the Stormlands with the king.
381 - King Vaermon I Targaryen dies in battle. King Elrys I Targaryen now reigns. The war continues.
382 - 100 years. The war continues.
400 - Megawar III ends. King Elrys I Targaryen remains on the throne.
End historical log.


Thanks in advance,
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Oakwater » Mon Jun 04, 2012 16:21

The one I'm currently observing the following happened, I'll update it when I have a chance, this is just a brief:

- Who you play, or are you just observing - Observe
- What year Roberts Rebellion ended & who won? - Targaryens won, ~10 year war
- Who did Arianne Martel Marry? (Mat./Pat.?) - Rhaegar
- Did you see any Targaryans getting married? (Incestly) - Once, never the king/queen however, so may have been more, just didn't watch.
- If so how many children did their marriage produce. - Unknown
- Did you see any Genius Targaryans? - None

Ill work out the megawar part later.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by cocotargaryen » Mon Jun 04, 2012 18:05

I have a very long save, currently about 400 years long.

-Who you play, or are you just observing - Played with the Targaryens mostly, about 50 years with House Lightfoot from Weeping bay

-What year Roberts Rebellion ended & who won? - It was very short, 3-4 years, the Targaryens won

- Who did Arianne Martel Marry? (Mat./Pat.?) - Rhaegar, but I chose her myself, so not sure about the validity of that

- Did you see any Targaryans getting married? (Incestly) - Yes, several times. They tend to marry brother to sister. I think the event is bugged though. Say I'm the targ parent, and have a son and a daughter that can marry each other, the event will spring up, but it won't work. It will only work once the father is dead, and I'm controlling the son. Then it will let me marry my sister. These couplings produce an average number of children I would say.

- If so how many children did their marriage produce. - These couplings produce an average number of children I would say. Around 4.

- Did you see any Genius Targaryans? - No. Never. Plenty of quick and lunatic, but never genius, and I've played through dozens of targs. I'm pretty sure they don't occur.

- Details on "Megawars" (Claims against the iron thrown that break the realm, u will know it when u see it). - These mostly occur when your ruler has conflicting traits with a lord paramount, right on sucession, when there is a penalty for no heir/female heir and a short reign with little prestige. They are pretty rare though.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Wolfgang Pauli » Mon Jun 04, 2012 19:43

We really need a specific year on the war ending.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by WM4l » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:43

My war end after:
1. 6 months - Jon Arryn - Robert Baratheon - April 8283
2. 3 years - Robert Baratheon - Robert Baratheon - December 8285
3. 2,5 years - Ned Stark - Stannis Baratheon - March 8285
4. 1,5 year - Balon Greyjoy (we dont take part in war) - Mad King - March 8284
5. 2,5 years Tywin Lannister (I join into war after two years) - Robert Baratheon - February 8285
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Wolfgang Pauli » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:47

Well, specifically I need the year that it ends and the King when it's over. Anything more is great, but I can't use it if it doesn't have that.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by WM4l » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:52

This is simple math, if you know that the war began in in september 8282 ;)
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Wolfgang Pauli » Tue Jun 05, 2012 14:17

WM4l wrote:This is simple math, if you know that the war began in in september 8282 ;)

I'm not very willing to trust relative dates like that, because people are more likely to approximate.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Yami Kero » Tue Jun 05, 2012 21:31

I didn't write down the exact years early on. sorry. Note with wars: I put the attacking force first (so Dorne v North means Dorne attacks the North)

Build 0.1.1. Observe. Roberts Rebelion. 100 years.
Robert won war on 14 april 8286
Arianne Martell married Renyl Baratheon regularly
Aegon Married Rhaenys.
One Targaryan kid from Aegon and Rheenys. Died at 24 childless on 1 april 8326 naturaly.
No genius or lunatic.
No Megawars except roberts rebelion.

Full picture:
Start war and during war
- Dorne only send personal levies. So the Targs where 15k men down for that.
- Hoster+Cersei
- Stannis KIA
8286 14 arpil - shortly after the war
- Robert wins
- Robert marries Elianor Kenning
- Arianne marries Renly (regular) (the first child is Roberts bastard. this cause A LOT of strife and rebellions in the Stormlands and Dorne in the 100 years.)
- Capitol to Storms End. Shortly after (didnt see it happening, sorry) back to KL.
- Doran Martell dies age 40 (2nd game in which Doran dies young. Is this deliberate?)
8301 Castamere rebels against Tyrion Lannisters (nothing major just funny!)
8311-8312 Renly + Arriane die quickly after one an other. Both 'natural', but both are wounded and where not in any war. Probably assassinated.
8317
- Queen Kenning dies. Robert marries Margaery.
- Dorne attacks the Stormlands. Child versus child, sister versus sister and regent versus regent.
8322 Stormlands win and Dorne title is with LP of Stormlands
8326 Last Targ dies.
8332 Robert dies naturally age 69. 3rd son Beric becomes king. first 2 sons died. He marries Ned Starks 3rd daughter.
8334 Dorne rebels against Stormlands.
8336
- Stormlands win. Dorne title again with LP Stormlands.
- The first rebellion in the north and vale! Both very small. (all lands were very peaceful except Dorne and Stormlands untill the last 20 years)
8342 Dorne independent again.
8351 Dorne wars with Stormlands.
8362 Stormlands win. Dorne title again in LP Stormlands.
8365
- North versus Dorne ruler. CB a province.
- First major rebellion outside Dorne/Stormlands. Vale versus Runestone. Armies equal.
8368 Vale wins. Runestone vassal again.
8367
- North conquers province and wins.
- Westerlands versus Riverlands.
8368 Westerlands win. Riverlands title to LP Westerlands.
8369
- Reach versus Westerlands (with riverlands)
- King Beric dies naturally age 75. 4th son becomes king. 1st and 2nd sons are kingsguard and 3rd is a bastard.
8270 West wins.
8373 Westerlands versus Riverlands (with the Vale as allies). Both leaders are Lannisters.
8378 White peace Westerlands and Riverlands.

Bugs:
Hillmen from the Vale didn't dismiss after rebellion. 16k stayed from +/- 8287 till end in Hearts Home
Xaro Xho didn't dismiss after rebellion. 6k stayed from +/- 8323 till end in Scorched Rock
Claw island v Dragonstone civil war lasted from +/- 8310 till the end because the armies bugged in their movement. The was CB was Plot elective monarchy.

Things I noticed:
Doran Martell dies young (40). Also happened in my real game in 0.1.0. Not sure if this is random or programmed.
The North, Vale, Riverlands, Westerlands and the reach didn't have ANY rebellion in the first few decades.
No Megawars.
No kings dying due to plots or assassination.
Targs died out after 4 generation. (mad king>Rhaegar>Aegon>random child)


Hope this helps out! Keep up the good work!
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Sialia » Thu Jun 07, 2012 13:17

Five separate quick games playing as Robert Baratheon as I was trying to refine a strategy for winning the war early.

Game 1: 3 November, 285. Victory for Robert.

Game 2: 2 March, 285. Victory for Robert. (Tywin died in August 284, Tyrion joined the rebellion. Robert had victory well in hand already.)

Game 3: 15 November, 282. Victory for Robert. (Captured Aerys immediately.)

Game 4: 3 February 283. Victory for Aerys. (Robert and Stannis both die in personal combat vs. kingsguard. Renly has no claim so war ends.)

Game 5: 16 January 284. Victory for Robert. (Aerys executed Oswell Whent, Barristan and Gerold both quit shortly after. Mace Tyrell died in March 283 in personal combat to Hoster Tully, Willas switched sides to join the rebellion. Aerys offered surrender at 73% warscore. Afterwards Ned Stark died to Arthur Dayne at the Tower of Joy, Lyanna became Lady Paramount of the North, and the Tower event seemed to end.)

More observations:

It seems that in most games Rhaegar doesn't get out in the field at all. In one of the games he stood around in Dragonstone with an army for a while doing nothing, other times he gets assigned a council job by Aerys and stops being eligible for command.

If any of the Crownland / Dragonstone lords die without an heir, including baronies, their holding reverts back to the Targaryens who keep it even after losing the war.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by meatwad819 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 21:04

I played as Lord Jharl of Stony Shore to just sit back and observe the game for awhile. I'm not the best at notes, so I'm sure there are a few things missing that you may have wanted. But below are the listed key points.


- Who you play, or are you just observing.
I played as House Drapaund of the Stony Shore, but set the game to 5 speed and just fast forwarded through the game.

- What year Roberts Rebellion ended & who won?
The rebellion ended a few days before 8289. Robert Baratheon won the war.

- Who did Arianne Martel Marry? (Mat./Pat.?)
Arianne Martell married to Renly Baratheon, thereby giving Dorne to the Baratheons. I had seen this in the past, and it resulted in the complete extinction of the Martell line. In current game they are fine, but it is definitely something to consider.

- Did you see any Targaryans getting married? (Incestly)
Yes, Aegon, son of Rhaegar married his sister Daena.

- If so how many children did their marriage produce.
They had one child, also named Aegon, after which, the father Aegon became a Maester.

- Did you see any Genius Targaryans?
No, Aegon the son of Aegon was the last Targaryen, and I doubt that he is going to marry now that he is 45 years of age.

- Details on "Megawards" (Claims against the iron thrown that break the realm, u will know it when u see it).
There were a few megawars, and Robert's Rebellions is 'mostly' listed below. Most of the others ended with no real gains or losses.

I started the game with normal summers.

Immediately Eddard Stark instituted Medium Crown Authority.

Baratheon won a bunch of small victories in the beginning, with the battle of faybank providing the first major victory.

On April 23rd, 8283, The Targaryen forces defeated Hoster Tully at the Battle of Mosborough, a large victory that began to tip the scale against the rebels.

However, Baratheon forces were able to occupy the province of Woodmere, proving the might of the rebellion on May 2nd, 8283. Both forces now had an equal war percentage.

On June 17th, 8283, the Tully forces engaged the forces of Highgarden at the city of Pallars in Byrch Hall. The Tully forces were able to claim a victory, but Targaryen forces quickly reached the scene outnumbering the Tully forces 3 to 1. The battle seemed hopeless, until Robert Baratheon himself took the field making it an even battle. Robert was able to secure a stunning victory, routing many of the targaryen forces.

Quickly putting the forces to a route, it seemed as if this may be the turning point of the war.

August 14th, 8283. My wife's pregnant!

Robert continued to secure victory on the field and in seige against the Targaryen's, but his massive army seemed to suffer from supply issues during these seiges.

On July 11th, of 8284, the recently reformed Targaryen army took the field against the split army of the rebellion, crushing the Arryn and Stark forces. During this battle, Eddard Stark, lord of the north was slain in personal combat by Barristan Selmy. This was a crushing blow for northern morale.

On November 1rst, confidence in the rebellion was regained after Robert Baratheon led his forces to victory in the Riverlands against the Martell army.

On November 8th, the heir to Eddard Stark, Lord Harlon of the North raised his levies to put down a rebellion of the northern clans, temporarily taking him out of the rebellion.

After the victory of the first, known as the Battle of Pauzin, the rebel army continued to experience a sleu of minor victories across the land.

On April 8th, the northern lord paramount Lord Harlon sent his Levies south to help relieve the rebel army.

On May 8th, the Robert Baratheon achieved another stunning victory over the Tararyen forces, weakening the crowns morale.

The Targaryen forces were weakening by this point, with much of the crown's forces beginning to suspect the usurper would win the war (war percent at 50 in robert's favor).

On September 28th, the Citadel informed the land that winter was upon us.

On December 25th, Stark forces led by Jeor Mormont attained a minor victory against the targaryen forces. Unfortunately, enemy reinforcements would prove to be the old bear's undoing, as they quickly swarmed the tired and defenseless troops.

A series of minor defeats did not hinder the rebel forces as Robert Baratheon led the coalition forces against the power of Highgarden again, this time at Rayonet. Robert achieved victory on the 3rd of April, 8286.

On December 20th, Balon Greyjoy declared war on the north.

On the 10th of April, Winter came.

With the war teetering on the edge, King Aerys raised all remaining levies and combined his war parties into one last desperate strike. Gathering all forces, he made a foray into the Seige of Duskendale. Unfortunately for him, the battle proved to be a disaster, with more then 60% of his troops falling on the field while Robert only lost a mere 20%. Quickly pressing his advantage, Robert mopped up the remaining forces of the Coalition of the crown.

However, what Robert did not know, was that the armies of the Martell and Tyrell forces had not yet entered that battle. After his victory, an army twice the size of his own was spotted not far from his position. However, in stupidity or pride, the Tyrell army attacked without waiting for the Martell support, and Robert was able to capitalize against this threat. By meeting the armies one at a time, he was able to successfully lead his troops against the enemy forces, routing the both of them. At the battle of Drakecastle.

On December 30th, 8288, the forces of the crown were beaten, by Robert Baratheon, with him being coronated King of the Iron Throne on January 1rst of the new year. The Targaryen family was exiled to Oldtown, where they currently serve Lord Leyton Hightower. Due to the unfortunate passing of Lyanna Stark, on the 30th of July, 8287, Robert Baratheon was left without a wife. Immediately he married a courtier of his, known as Courtney. As he was childless, Lord Stannis was currently as his heir.

On October of 8293, there was a Riverlander (seems like it might need to be reworded) Succession Crisis, with Lord Paramount Harlon of the North declaring his intent to seize the Riverlands.

In November of 8294, Renly Baratheon usurped his elder brothers claim on the Stormlands, thereby becoming Lord Paramount to the Stormlands.

To Preempt the north, Edmure Tully ordered forces to beseige Greywater Watch.

On May 25th, Arianne of Dorne married Lord Paramount Renly of the Stormlands in a regular marriage. All children would be Baratheon.

In June of 8295, Daena Targaryen, third child of Rhaegar Targaryen showed traits of inheriting her grandfathers lunacy, much to the chagrin of Rhaegar.

For 6 years, North forces sat at Silvereed, watching as the Tully forces besieged Greywater Watch, and did nothing about it. Though on December 6th, 8398, Lord Edmure Tully, Lord of the Riverlands died of Syphalis, leaving his title of Lord Paramount to Lady Catelyn, and making Harlon the heir to the Riverlands.

In May of 8303, the Riverland forces, having enough of this stalemate headed north. However, upon seeing reinforcement troops arrive, quickly turned back to the Riverlands. All northern troops quickly arrived at Silvereed, totally an army of nearly 30,000 versus the Riverlands army of only 11,000. The riverlanders decided to stay at Grewater Watch, and watch as the army of the north slowly starved to death. Many wondered what Lord Harlon was thinking, only to quickly realize his brilliant strategy of starving his own troops to death. Others wondered if he was a lunatic, though most knew he was merely a drunk.

On August 20th, the Riverlander Succession Crisis ended in a victory for the Riverlanders.

In 8311, Lord Paramount Harlon of the North decided to reclaim the Barrowlands as his own land. Unfortunately, he was killed in battle, leaving his lands to his brother Benjen. As he was the heir to the Riverlands, the lands will now pass on to Lady Catelyn Stark, now paramount to the riverlands, to her second sister, Dynella Tully, wife of Euron Greyjoy.

At some point before this, Rhaegar's son Aegon married his sister Daena Targaryen and had a son, Aegon Targaryen, who was born weak. Sex must have been terrible as immediately after this, Aegon, the father not the child, went off to become a Maester.

In 8319, the lord of Stonedance rose against the current King, Robert 'The Great' Baratheon, but was soundly defeated.

In 8322, the Mountain Lords rose against the veil with an army of 22,000. After many disasterous attempts at fighting the army, plus many starving troops, the rebellion was put down at great cost.

In 8342, both the title for the North and the Riverlands had been usurped, leaving with the heir of Euron to only inherit the Iron Islands when Euron passed on.

In August of 8344, war was declared on the Reach by the Westerlands. The Iron Islands, Riverlands, and the North, all declared for the Reach. However, it was quickly becoming a Reach victory (56%) as it was taking quite some time for the allies to reach them.

With some disasterous initial conflicts, the war was turning in the alliances favor in 8348.

The alliance fittered about until 8350, when finally, a white peace was offered.

In November of 8350, the Vale took over 90% of the Riverlands in one fell swoop due to a usurption of a claim.



OTHER NOTES:

-When injuring a child during training, the choice you can select says Poks. I'm not too certain what that means, but it does not appear to be meant to say that.

-When hovering over the tree icon for the map, it lists the Westeros map as Europe.

I'm sure I'll find more as I continue to play.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by Chrisjm89 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 23:47

- Who you play, or are you just observing - Playing Martell's.

- What year Roberts Rebellion ended & who won? - It was 284AL. Baratheon win.

Robert was killed in personal combat by Jon Connington?! Rhaegar was then killed by Stannis. (It would have been a brilliant AAR if I noted it sooner rather than raiding the Dornish marches then reteating to Dorne and generally being 'Doran' like, very cautious, patient etc.)

- Who did Arianne Martel Marry? (Mat./Pat.?) - Evidently I had the say so with this. In other play through though (three. One Targ one.) shes always married Renly, only once matrilineally.

- Did you see any Targaryans getting married? (Incestly) - None in this playthough as Rhaenys (Aegon was killed by the Mad King :\ so much for the Arianne/Aegon pact) is now in my care and has married into Dorne, my first son Quentyn. In my Targ playthough I had offshoot Targs in Rosby and elsewhere marrying their siblings but never when I was playing the character. (My grandson would marry my granddaughter but when I was playing their child, who became Aegon VIII, I waited for him to mature so he could marry his elder sister, but she married Aegon VIII's younger brother instead?!? that annoyed me, he wasn't even of age.)

- If so how many children did their marriage produce. - Offshoot Targ sister-brother marriages generally produced two/three children on the five occasions I saw it. Aegon VIII had a elder sister and younger brother. He married his first/first once/2nd cousin etc etc, of the Rosby branch of Targaryen's who's mother and father were siblings, they had three children, two daughters and a son. Aegon the eight's grandson (future Orys II) and granddaughter (Naerys) married, that was twincest too! I've never seen an event that marries incestly with a playing character. Is there one?

- Did you see any Genius Targaryans? - None, All quick or lunatic.

Never had a Megawar in the Targ playthrough I made sure of it. Having two rulers with the moniker wise, two with the noble moniker and one with the great moniker made sure of that.

Its still too early in the Martell one. But Doran has been balancing the power with his intrigue brilliantly. The great houses still hold their own seats and all have male heirs.

- Cersei's three children by Hoster Tully all... drowned :evil: . She outlived them all and Kevan's second son became Warden of the West and married a daughter of Doran's.
- Willas Tyrell's wife was High Lady of Brimstone... she fell off her castle as did her two children. No Tyrell will inherit land in Dorne!

Many other plots of intrigue were committed too, with great effect on lines of succession.
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Re: v0.1.0.0 Observations.

PostPosted by SerMagnus » Wed Jun 20, 2012 04:00

First time playing, really loved the mod.

Played Connington in Robert's Rebellion (until 302AL)
War ended in 297, with Targaryen victory.
Arianne didn't marry. But she rules Dorne already (Doran died).
Aerys got 2 more kids, but they're still too young to marry, (viserys died). Both kids are lunatic.
Rhaegar got no more kids and only Aegon lives (not married, nor genius/mad).

Just one thing, I don't know if it's my game, but overall I felt it pretty rushed. The armies took a lot of time to travel between places (like in the books it would take a month to go from KL to Winterfell, in my game it took 10 months!), and also to reinforce levies, I stood 5 years not raising them, and didn't recover 30% of it. Gonna play again but, is there a way I can improve the armies travelling speed and reinforcing rate? Has it been discussed already? Sorry if its the wrong place.

And congrats for the mod, it's great!
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