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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Ogaburan » Mon May 21, 2012 14:55

How old was he when he died?

I got a 103yo guy... might be some kind of bug if its not rare enough...

If he lasted for 90+ year, could you be so kind as to check your save file for his health?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Kingsgrave » Mon May 21, 2012 15:02

Was it a Frey?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Smoesville » Mon May 21, 2012 15:11

It was a Crowl of Deepdown, i think he was 91 but i can't recall atm, i'll check when i go home. He starts aged 20 i think so it is a fair while for him to live. I think the main reason was the 4 sets of twins, it meant there was so many coming of age at an early stage and around the same time.

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Something that might be a bug is that most lord paramounts and the Iron throne have loads of wives? Same with my own lord, he had 4, Robert had 5, Eddard II (grandson of Ned) had 3, it seems a recurring theme. Women seem to die much more often than the men.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Narf » Mon May 21, 2012 16:13

By the way, could someone tell em what Crow and Wolf mean? As Traits?

Also if they have that or Greensight future seeing, does it make it easier for them to predict assassination and plots against themselves and the King?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Ogaburan » Mon May 21, 2012 18:41

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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Narf » Mon May 21, 2012 19:06

Ohhhh I love it. A little underpowered. Ecspecially the Greensight thing, it should give bonus against plots and assassinations. And so for the King as-well if there is one in his kingsguard with these things. Well made, fantastic.

So a Skinchanger can look through the animals eyes?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by -Rodri- » Mon May 21, 2012 21:19

Oga!!! Somehow you made an underpowered modification!!! LOL :)
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Ogaburan » Mon May 21, 2012 21:22

lol
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Narf » Mon May 21, 2012 22:59

Is it stupid of me to say?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by -Rodri- » Tue May 22, 2012 00:00

Nahh, its an inside joke :D
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Narf » Tue May 22, 2012 00:17

Ok :) But is it feasible?
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Saint_Esteban » Tue May 22, 2012 05:11

Ogaburan wrote:Am i the only one who takes care of all his kinsmen??? lol.


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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Hardwire » Sat Jun 09, 2012 21:29

I had a second son who was betrothed to the daughter of another Duke-level Lord to gain a powerful alliance and he got sucked up by the Kingsguard event. He was still betrothed after joining the Kingsguard, so I wasn't sure what would happen when she came of age, and it was a little annoying, so I modified the event file. I added "is_betrothed = no" under all of the "is_married = no" checks, and that took care of the problem.

I think the son was the only valid character because he kept getting selected on reload. After I modified the event, another Kingsguard replacement wasn't found for about a year. I kept checking, and eventually another replacement was selected, so the event still works.

Anyway, just a heads-up that you may want to add "is_betrothed = no" to all of the "is_married = no" checks.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Wolfgang Pauli » Sat Jun 09, 2012 22:51

Hardwire wrote:I had a second son who was betrothed to the daughter of another Duke-level Lord to gain a powerful alliance and he got sucked up by the Kingsguard event. He was still betrothed after joining the Kingsguard, so I wasn't sure what would happen when she came of age, and it was a little annoying, so I modified the event file. I added "is_betrothed = no" under all of the "is_married = no" checks, and that took care of the problem.

I think the son was the only valid character because he kept getting selected on reload. After I modified the event, another Kingsguard replacement wasn't found for about a year. I kept checking, and eventually another replacement was selected, so the event still works.

Anyway, just a heads-up that you may want to add "is_betrothed = no" to all of the "is_married = no" checks.

It'd be easier to just break betrothals. We have few enough candidates for the Kingsguard as it is.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Hardwire » Sun Jun 10, 2012 01:52

Wolfgang Pauli wrote:]It'd be easier to just break betrothals. We have few enough candidates for the Kingsguard as it is.


You could do that, but since the AI doesn't seem to initiate betrothals, it's only going to screw the player. If a player wants a character to be ineligible, they can just marry them off to whoever right away. Betrothals, at least the way I use them, are mainly for securing alliances.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by AlecTrevelyan006 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 06:06

Hardwire wrote:
Wolfgang Pauli wrote:]It'd be easier to just break betrothals. We have few enough candidates for the Kingsguard as it is.


You could do that, but since the AI doesn't seem to initiate betrothals, it's only going to screw the player. If a player wants a character to be ineligible, they can just marry them off to whoever right away. Betrothals, at least the way I use them, are mainly for securing alliances.


That worked well for Tywin Lannister.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Hardwire » Sun Jun 10, 2012 09:56

AlecTrevelyan006 wrote:That worked well for Tywin Lannister.


Naming Jamie was an unprecedented move by a mad king. It's hardly relevant to this discussion. I'm trying to initiate and facilitate dialogue about a problem I ran into in the mod, sniping to score points isn't very constructive. I've already tweaked the event so it works the way I want it to, and I can always tweak it again if it changes, so I don't really have a dog in this fight.

My main point is that married people are ineligible candidates, and whether this should be expanded to betrothals. Since betrothals are very much a part of life in the nobility and since they are only initiated by the player CK2, they should either also result in ineligibility, or the event needs to be tweaked to break the betrothal, preferably with worse consequences for the king than choosing an unmatched male.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by AlecTrevelyan006 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 20:09

Didn't Barristan break his Betrothal as well?

I think it should break betrothals, and as stated, it should carry a big relation penalty if the King names an heir (or a potential one, maybe the father of the kingsguard-to-be gets an event of whether he supports the decision or is offended)

And I'm hardly sniping to score points. That would be a futile exercise, my opportunities for points passed long ago.
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Re: Kingsguard

PostPosted by Kingsgrave » Sun Jun 10, 2012 21:24

He did.
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