The Citadel

speaking of cersei, how is she a scholar or is that something that the game just picked up and i messed?

Yeah sometimes the game will just add traits if it decides there are not enough.

But back to the Boltons, none of the lot is quick or a genius. They are cruel calculating backstabbers. Therefore traits: cruel, impaler, education intrigue.
Roose knows when the tide is turning, but that doesn't make him quick, just an opportunist, while Ramsay doesn't care about the consequences he just sees something he likes and dares people to stop him.

You can't turn off random traits because :paradox:. I had a hunchback Rhaegar once.

Gotta agree here, Ramsay pulled off some fantastic stunts and he's definitely bright. However, Roose is clearly a genius - he achieves his ends very subtley but achieves them well. He warns Ramsay several times about 'how his behavior will go over, can't he figure that much out?'

Ramsay is the kind of smart that lets him set a goal, and achieve that goal at the expense of the larger picture. The larger picture is simply too complicated for Ramsay to achieve without intervention. Some of his personal compulsions do get in his way, but do not appear to affect his ability to conceive complicated multi-pronged strategies.

Roose is the kind of smart that lets him set an overarching goal, and the pieces appear to fall into place by themselves through the actions of others. And he is still able to bail water for Ramsay and help Ramsay achieve his own goals, while still managing to pull together his larger picture.

There is a big difference between the level of intelligence with these two. One people can be impressed by, the other people can be both impressed and mystified by... The genius is the one who makes it seem easy and is able to help others while helping himself, able to allow others to do the work for him, while he gets the reward - and all of this on a grand "Game of Thrones" scale.

Dark genius

I agree with most people here. Ramsay is smart (thus deserving the quick trait) but I think genius is a stretch. He is too impulse-driven and has serious trouble placing his long term plans above of his urges and instincts. (like what he did with his first wife, which was incredibly dangerous to House Bolton)
Roose on the other hand...I could easily see him a genius. A twisted genius but a genius.

Now on what Stiener said. Indeed just "Evil" would be too much black and white. Plus evil doesn't means competent. Amory Lorch is evil and an imbecile.
Perhaps Psychopath? I don't like using psychological terms though so maybe..."Cold" or something similar.

Is the word you are looking for a Socio-Path
Not bound by the soical norms so can act in a way the is both cold calcualting and ruthless, but not irrational or just for the fun of it that a Psycho-path may be.
Just as Sadists are those who derive pleasure from their cruelty and that would be their sole motivation. Joffery is more a Sadist.

If you want to avoid psychological terms, how about "morally flexible"

Also why do you think the guest right is ridiculous?
It is well ground from many real world cultures

What about Opportunist? or is that already an existing trait?

Genius seems about right to me .

warpwhistle wrote:Genius seems about right to me .

Hahaha how the hell did he get on the iron throne lol

Id say both Boltons are smart, intelligent but no genius. Theyre pragmatic opportunists.

Roose should have Quick trait added, sure, but Ramsay not even that.

For me, the only major characters that should have it are Varys, LF, Tyrion and maybe Doran and Oberyn.